Alternative CAT tools that work directly with Office files
Thread poster: AaronArthur
AaronArthur
AaronArthur
Local time: 22:37
Japanese to English
Jun 15, 2022

Hello all! This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I'm looking for something similar to Felix as an alternative CAT tool. I use Trados, but have really enjoyed using Ryan Ginstrom's Felix for the past 10 years. I liked that I didn't have to convert Word/Excel/Powerpoint files into a proprietary format and back again after translating. Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries? And failing that, does anyone have any ... See more
Hello all! This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I'm looking for something similar to Felix as an alternative CAT tool. I use Trados, but have really enjoyed using Ryan Ginstrom's Felix for the past 10 years. I liked that I didn't have to convert Word/Excel/Powerpoint files into a proprietary format and back again after translating. Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries? And failing that, does anyone have any idea of how to extract text from Felix FTMs so I can create new TMs and glossaries? Thanks!Collapse


 
Philippe Locquet
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SQL? Jun 16, 2022

AaronArthur wrote:

Hello all! This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I'm looking for something similar to Felix as an alternative CAT tool. I use Trados, but have really enjoyed using Ryan Ginstrom's Felix for the past 10 years. I liked that I didn't have to convert Word/Excel/Powerpoint files into a proprietary format and back again after translating. Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries? And failing that, does anyone have any idea of how to extract text from Felix FTMs so I can create new TMs and glossaries? Thanks!


Hi, looking at the felix website (blog) it seems development has been stopped and all the code was sent to MIT licenses. However, none of the download links are working.

Felix is new to me, it seems some SQL is used. Do you have non-sensitive actual examples we can look at to see how to convert them?

As an alternative, I'd recommend Wordfast Classic (MS Word only). Otherwise, Wordfast Anywhere allows you to switch to a Classic-like view.


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Milan Condak
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English to Czech
Wordfast, Anaphraseus, MetaTexis, ... Jun 16, 2022

AaronArthur wrote:
Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries?


1. Wordfast Classic (for MS Word)

https://www.wordfast.com/sites/default/files/WF_Product%20Brief_Classic.v.22.pdf

2. Anaphraseus (in Open Office or in Libre Office) is FREE

http://anaphraseus.sourceforge.net/

3. MetaTexis, the easy way to translate (for MS Word)

http://www.metatexis.com/

Prices reduced by 30-50 % !!!

4. OmegaT (open source, FREE)

https://omegat.org/

file formats:

* Microsoft Word, Excel, Power
* Open Document Format (LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org)

5. BasicCAT is FREE and/but is using Felix CAT

https://www.basiccat.org/

https://docs.basiccat.org/en/latest/translatingFiles.html#felixword

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This site can’t be reached: www.westernstandard.com

HTH,

Milan


[Edited at 2022-06-16 18:15 GMT]


 
AaronArthur
AaronArthur
Local time: 22:37
Japanese to English
TOPIC STARTER
Thanks! Jun 16, 2022

Philippe Locquet wrote:

AaronArthur wrote:

Hello all! This is a bit of a shot in the dark, but I'm looking for something similar to Felix as an alternative CAT tool. I use Trados, but have really enjoyed using Ryan Ginstrom's Felix for the past 10 years. I liked that I didn't have to convert Word/Excel/Powerpoint files into a proprietary format and back again after translating. Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries? And failing that, does anyone have any idea of how to extract text from Felix FTMs so I can create new TMs and glossaries? Thanks!


Hi, looking at the felix website (blog) it seems development has been stopped and all the code was sent to MIT licenses. However, none of the download links are working.

Felix is new to me, it seems some SQL is used. Do you have non-sensitive actual examples we can look at to see how to convert them?

As an alternative, I'd recommend Wordfast Classic (MS Word only). Otherwise, Wordfast Anywhere allows you to switch to a Classic-like view.



Hi Philippe, thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely check them out. Unfortunately I don't have any non-sensitive examples, but after some experimenting I found out that Excel can open the FTMs and create an XML file automatically, so I was able to extract the text. I now just have to figure out how to automate stripping the formatting tags and I can then create SDLTMs for Trados. So all is not lost!


 
AaronArthur
AaronArthur
Local time: 22:37
Japanese to English
TOPIC STARTER
Thanks! Jun 16, 2022

Milan Condak wrote:

AaronArthur wrote:
Does anyone know of any similar CAT tools that allow you to work directly in Office files and register TMs and glossaries?


1. Wordfast Classic (for MS Word)

https://www.wordfast.com/sites/default/files/WF_Product%20Brief_Classic.v.22.pdf

2. Anaphraseus (in Open Office or in Libre Office) is FREE

http://anaphraseus.sourceforge.net/

3. MetaTexis, the easy way to translate (for MS Word)

http://www.metatexis.com/

Prices reduced by 30-50 % !!!

4. OmegaT (open source, FREE)

https://omegat.org/

file formats:

* Microsoft Word, Excel, Power
* Open Document Format (LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org)

5. BasicCAT is FREE and/but is using Felix CAT

https://www.basiccat.org/

https://docs.basiccat.org/en/latest/translatingFiles.html#felixword

---
maybe: Fluency

This site can’t be reached: www.westernstandard.com

HTH,

Milan


[Edited at 2022-06-16 18:15 GMT]


Hi Milan, thanks for all the suggestions! I'll definitely check them out.


 
Hans Lenting
Hans Lenting
Netherlands
Member (2006)
German to Dutch
CafeTran Espresso Jun 17, 2022

I haven't used it lately but CafeTran Espresso also offers a way to work via Ms Word.

Here is a screenshot from the Mac version but the Windows version offers this feature too:

Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 07.48.26

I assume that the Windows version will list Ms Word here too.

BTW: Have a look a this feature too:

https://cafetran.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000162841-target-segment-editors


[Edited at 2022-06-17 05:54 GMT]


 
Samuel Murray
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Felix download Jun 17, 2022

According to the Felix web site, it was abandoned/opensourced in 2015.
https://felix-cat.com/blog/

The last time I downloaded Felix was in 2016
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According to the Felix web site, it was abandoned/opensourced in 2015.
https://felix-cat.com/blog/

The last time I downloaded Felix was in 2016. Here is what I have (62 MB):
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f9124a2efb1085f182cd00de3ef8d04e20220617062102/fc169d670c1e90290945f9afdcf1cee820220617062102/41058d

Some links on the Wayback Machine also work, e.g.:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160401200220/http://felix-cat.com/download/

It may be that the source code (BitBucket) is also on the Wayback Machine (I didn't test all the links):
https://web.archive.org/web/20160818164845/https://bitbucket.org/ginstrom/felix/

And the user manual:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160718223822/http://felix-cat.com/media/manuals/felix/

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:30 GMT]

-- Added:

OmegaT doesn't work inside MS Word but it does open DOCX files directly, without any conversion to an intermediary format. It presents the translatable text as tagged text, similar to what you'd find in tools that do use such formats.

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:32 GMT]
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AaronArthur
AaronArthur
Local time: 22:37
Japanese to English
TOPIC STARTER
Thanks! Jun 17, 2022

Samuel Murray wrote:

According to the Felix web site, it was abandoned/opensourced in 2015.
https://felix-cat.com/blog/

The last time I downloaded Felix was in 2016. Here is what I have (62 MB):
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f9124a2efb1085f182cd00de3ef8d04e20220617062102/fc169d670c1e90290945f9afdcf1cee820220617062102/41058d

Some links on the Wayback Machine also work, e.g.:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160401200220/http://felix-cat.com/download/

It may be that the source code (BitBucket) is also on the Wayback Machine (I didn't test all the links):
https://web.archive.org/web/20160818164845/https://bitbucket.org/ginstrom/felix/

And the user manual:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160718223822/http://felix-cat.com/media/manuals/felix/

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:30 GMT]

-- Added:

OmegaT doesn't work inside MS Word but it does open DOCX files directly, without any conversion to an intermediary format. It presents the translatable text as tagged text, similar to what you'd find in tools that do use such formats.

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:32 GMT]


Samuel, thanks so much for the helpful info and the Felix installation suite! I have loads of FTMs so that is a huge help!


 
AaronArthur
AaronArthur
Local time: 22:37
Japanese to English
TOPIC STARTER
Cheers! Jun 17, 2022

Hans Lenting wrote:

I haven't used it lately but CafeTran Espresso also offers a way to work via Ms Word.

Here is a screenshot from the Mac version but the Windows version offers this feature too:

Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 07.48.26

I assume that the Windows version will list Ms Word here too.

BTW: Have a look a this feature too:

https://cafetran.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000162841-target-segment-editors


[Edited at 2022-06-17 05:54 GMT]


Hans, thanks for suggesting CafeTran Espresso. I'll take a look!


 
Hans Lenting
Hans Lenting
Netherlands
Member (2006)
German to Dutch
Not on my system Jun 17, 2022

Hans Lenting wrote:

Screen Shot 2022-06-17 at 07.48.26

I assume that the Windows version will list Ms Word here too.


Booted Windows and had a look at the Windows version of CafeTran Espresso: Ms Word isn't offered as an editor (I've contacted the developer about this). Perhaps this is because I'm using the 365 edition of the Ms Office suite?

WordPad for Windows is supported though.

You can use WordPad to open and save text files (. txt), rich text files (. rtf), Word documents (. docx), and OpenDocument text files (.


 
Philippe Locquet
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Local time: 14:37
English to French
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Heartsome ? Jun 17, 2022

AaronArthur wrote:
Hi Philippe, thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely check them out. Unfortunately I don't have any non-sensitive examples, but after some experimenting I found out that Excel can open the FTMs and create an XML file automatically, so I was able to extract the text. I now just have to figure out how to automate stripping the formatting tags and I can then create SDLTMs for Trados. So all is not lost!


Hi Aaron,

If you can open with Excel, you'll be able to solve this quite easily. Just make sure you end up with a two-columns file with source and target language code on top of columns. Then you can use that file for conversion in Heartsome TMX editor and strip tags.


 
Hans Lenting
Hans Lenting
Netherlands
Member (2006)
German to Dutch
Or your own company's product Jun 17, 2022

Philippe Locquet wrote:

If you can open with Excel, you'll be able to solve this quite easily. Just make sure you end up with a two-columns file with source and target language code on top of columns. Then you can use that file for conversion in Heartsome TMX editor and strip tags.



Or use the nice tool wfconverter.exe


 
Artem Vakhitov
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English to Russian
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Thanks for the links! Jun 17, 2022

Thank you Samuel for the download links! Some time ago I was curious about trying out Felix but could not download it.

Samuel Murray wrote:

According to the Felix web site, it was abandoned/opensourced in 2015.
https://felix-cat.com/blog/

The last time I downloaded Felix was in 2016. Here is what I have (62 MB):
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f9124a2efb1085f182cd00de3ef8d04e20220617062102/fc169d670c1e90290945f9afdcf1cee820220617062102/41058d

Some links on the Wayback Machine also work, e.g.:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160401200220/http://felix-cat.com/download/

It may be that the source code (BitBucket) is also on the Wayback Machine (I didn't test all the links):
https://web.archive.org/web/20160818164845/https://bitbucket.org/ginstrom/felix/

And the user manual:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160718223822/http://felix-cat.com/media/manuals/felix/

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:30 GMT]

-- Added:

OmegaT doesn't work inside MS Word but it does open DOCX files directly, without any conversion to an intermediary format. It presents the translatable text as tagged text, similar to what you'd find in tools that do use such formats.

[Edited at 2022-06-17 06:32 GMT]


Stepan Konev
 
Philippe Locquet
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Portugal
Local time: 14:37
English to French
+ ...
Yes but doesn't clean tags Jun 17, 2022

Hans Lenting wrote:

Philippe Locquet wrote:

If you can open with Excel, you'll be able to solve this quite easily. Just make sure you end up with a two-columns file with source and target language code on top of columns. Then you can use that file for conversion in Heartsome TMX editor and strip tags.



Or use the nice tool wfconverter.exe


Yes Hans, I agree WfConverter is amazing, free and very fast. However, the OP was talking about issues with tags. At the moment WfConverter does not have the option to remove tags, hence my suggestion.
BTW WfConverter can now convert a TMX to txlf, this is handy for those wanting to have more options to edit and filter a TM in Wordfast Pro.

[Edited at 2022-06-17 15:58 GMT]


 
kbabol
kbabol
Local time: 15:37
English to Polish
Felix source code Dec 5, 2023

Samuel Murray wrote:


It may be that the source code (BitBucket) is also on the Wayback Machine (I didn't test all the links):
https://web.archive.org/web/20160818164845/https://bitbucket.org/ginstrom/felix/



Source code is here:
https://bitbucket-archive.softwareheritage.org/projects/gi.html
Look for projects starting with "ginstorm". These are unfortunately Mercurial repositories.


 


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