什么是母语？

ysun wrote:

没有足够的科技知识基础，英语再好也不一定能翻好这类资料。

ysun wrote:
最后有位同事说了句“英国人的语言明显高于dumont”。

Alan Wang wrote:

It certainly isn’t google search engine that’s the problem, if a mistake like that occurs, we can only blame ourselves for failing to make an enough effort.
One doesn’t forsake taking nourishments because he gets choked on a mouthful of rice. Not me, Never!

wherestip wrote:
But Alan, speaking of choking, IMO a person with near-native English speaking ability would never have made the mistake of saying "failing to make an enough effort".

Just thought I'd let you know. But please take it or leave it.

Alan Wang wrote:

Indeed, that's one of the reasons that we've got you.
and thank you for enlightening me on this.
failing -> failed
Right?

wherestip wrote:
No. It should be "failing to make a good enough effort", or "failing to make enough effort".

Alan Wang wrote:



有科技知识基础当然好了。我想至少会让人说话起来有点逻辑吧，呵呵。不会出现使用google search出了错或没有用心，或是以为这个地方较简单而未多费时使用google search因而出了错，也都归于google search 不可信！。这里好像有些人就在下这个结论。
现在想来，这个weight loss scale, 可能是未认真地使用google search而出的问题。这个问题可以归入掉以轻心问题。
当然其他人绝对不会出现掉以轻心的问题，it just doesn’t happen. I’m sure you in particular are never wrong.

Alan Wang wrote:



我的回答应该是这样：I have given so much weight to each and everyone’s comments that I lost track of who has said what. Would you think it’s possible that you can couch your comments in English, so that we can better appreciate your message?

I think that’s a minimum / reasonable request, don’t you?


[Edited at 2012-07-09 23:24 GMT]

ysun wrote:


论坛规则并未强行规定在中文论坛必须用英语发言。当然，对于英语为母语者或真正英语水平高的同仁在中文论坛用英语发言，我也决无异议。 不过我建议，能用中文更好表达自己的同仁最好不要用别人难以看懂的英语发言。如果想秀一下自己使用德语、法语、西班牙语或其它语言的能力，也最好到相应论坛去秀。 那样也许效果会更好，说不定还能“以此接得某大项目”。　;)

http://www.proz.com/siterules/forum/7#7



[Edited at 2010-01-08 00:56 GMT]

ysun wrote:

"Google 并非是包治百病的灵丹妙药"。

具有科技知识基础的人不是不用 Google，而是大量地用。只不过他们用 Google 不是盲目的，而是有一定方向、一定目标的，而且他们会将获得的结果加以分析，去伪存真。

James_xia wrote:

我个人对ysun的观点挺有同感的。对于传统翻译方式来说，互联网实际上是一场革命。它根本上改变了传统翻译的模式、视界和成本等等，提供了前辈译家没有机会接触到的种种优势。Google的机器翻译和在线搜索功能，相比其他类似工具，确实更为强大，也更具有参考价值。

尽管如此，如果母语是中文而非英语/其他外语的人，要借助Google完全实现接近非中文母语的表达水平，也是不容易的。也许可以这么理解：译者本身的语言水平越高，他/她越能更好利用Google；他/她的科技知识了解越多时，就更有能力判明Google翻译和在线搜索提供的信息完整性和正确性。

wherestip wrote:



No. It should be "failing to make a good enough effort", or "failing to make enough effort".

Rita Pang wrote:



I'd say failing to make enough effort. "A good enough effort" pending on the phrase before might sound redundant. I go by the KISS rule- Keep it short and simple, unless for aesthetic reasons.