Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
black Englishness
English answer:
Being English, and black at the same time
Added to glossary by
Cristina Bolohan
Jan 28, 2009 10:02
15 yrs ago
English term
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MA in Translation Theory and Practice
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Works in: English to Romanian, French to Romanian, Italian to Romanian, and 1 more.
black Englishness
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Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
However, there are also authors such as Pines who believe that a new “black Englishness” is already on the rise.
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Being English, and black at the same time
Without further context...
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Note added at 16 mins (2009-01-28 10:19:47 GMT)
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Pines links the use of the St. George's Cross as a symbol of a new inclusive Englishness by football fans at the 1998 World Cup with recent representations of black identity in black-produced British films, which repudiate a strict dichotomy between being English and being black. He recognizes the emergence of a new hybrid identity, "black-Englishness."
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3371908/David-Morley...
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Note added at 20 mins (2009-01-28 10:22:56 GMT)
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So as I understand it, "black Englishness" is a new identity of its own, which merges qualities of both identities.. People are not just black on one hand and English on the other.
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Note added at 26 mins (2009-01-28 10:29:23 GMT)
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By "black" he is referring to people of the black (black-African) race. Most black in England (as far as I know - no statistics!) are of Caribbean (and ultimately of African) origin.
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Note added at 27 mins (2009-01-28 10:29:55 GMT)
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corr: Most black people...
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Note added at 34 mins (2009-01-28 10:37:13 GMT)
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Hi Cristina: No, Indians and Pakistanis are commonly referred to as "Asian" in the UK, not as "black". They would not be included in this definition.
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Note added at 16 mins (2009-01-28 10:19:47 GMT)
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Pines links the use of the St. George's Cross as a symbol of a new inclusive Englishness by football fans at the 1998 World Cup with recent representations of black identity in black-produced British films, which repudiate a strict dichotomy between being English and being black. He recognizes the emergence of a new hybrid identity, "black-Englishness."
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3371908/David-Morley...
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Note added at 20 mins (2009-01-28 10:22:56 GMT)
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So as I understand it, "black Englishness" is a new identity of its own, which merges qualities of both identities.. People are not just black on one hand and English on the other.
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Note added at 26 mins (2009-01-28 10:29:23 GMT)
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By "black" he is referring to people of the black (black-African) race. Most black in England (as far as I know - no statistics!) are of Caribbean (and ultimately of African) origin.
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Note added at 27 mins (2009-01-28 10:29:55 GMT)
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corr: Most black people...
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Note added at 34 mins (2009-01-28 10:37:13 GMT)
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Hi Cristina: No, Indians and Pakistanis are commonly referred to as "Asian" in the UK, not as "black". They would not be included in this definition.
Note from asker:
| I don't understand what he means by "black"? Is he referring to africans only? |
| What about the indians, pakistani, etc. who live in England..they are black but asian..aren't they included in this "black Englishness"? |
| Pakistanis |
| Indians, Asian Thank you |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jonathan MacKerron
: Brits of African origin
35 mins
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| agree |
Jocelyne S
: I also second that the asker should not confuse black and Asian.
56 mins
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| agree |
suezen
1 hr
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| agree |
B D Finch
1 day 8 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
16 mins
English version of an African American speaking?? My guess.
English version of an African American speaking?? My guess.
3 hrs
Ann Sumwalt
France
France
Native in English
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English
Works in field
France
Taking the complex and making it simple
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK)
Works in: French to English, English
Being Black and English
May be better than "Being English and Black" because the writer's emphasis is on being "Black" in relation to English culture.
Lots of discussion about how writers have self-consciously looked at England through the lenses of tradition and history. Now they are trying to revise that view through creative acts of revision in order to admit English experiences, values and representations which actively challenge prevailing attitudes.
Discussion about being "British" (more historical and Anglo-Saxon) to the newer, broader, cultural mixed meaning what it means to be "English."
In no case, use African-American. Strictly for Americans of African descent and even then, not accepted by all "African-Americans" who just want to be known Americans.
Lots of discussion about how writers have self-consciously looked at England through the lenses of tradition and history. Now they are trying to revise that view through creative acts of revision in order to admit English experiences, values and representations which actively challenge prevailing attitudes.
Discussion about being "British" (more historical and Anglo-Saxon) to the newer, broader, cultural mixed meaning what it means to be "English."
In no case, use African-American. Strictly for Americans of African descent and even then, not accepted by all "African-Americans" who just want to be known Americans.
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