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English term or phrase:
"speaking up before the public"
English answer:
speaking out in public [see question for fuller discussion...]
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Tony M
Apr 16, 2005 22:46
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Does the words "speaking up before the public" make sense?
what i mean here is the same as "before the class" or "before the judge".
CONTEXT:
Douglas E. Ramage stated that the individuals and the organizations that received the awards had given major contributions to the reform movement in Indonesia. “All the figures are controversial and very vocal in speaking up before the public
what i mean here is the same as "before the class" or "before the judge".
CONTEXT:
Douglas E. Ramage stated that the individuals and the organizations that received the awards had given major contributions to the reform movement in Indonesia. “All the figures are controversial and very vocal in speaking up before the public
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Are you asking for corroboration of your own proposed wording, or what?
I would say it doesn't make a lot of sense, nor sound very natural to me.
You might be wanting to say 'public speaking' or 'speaking in public', but I suspect what you are really trying to say it 'speaking out publicly' --- in other words, making some grievance etc. public knowledge.
"All these figures are controversial and vociferous in speaking out in public"
I don't really like tagging on the '...in public' like this, but in this particular sentence it's better than using a hanging 'publicly'
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Another problem in your sentence as it stands is trying to use \'figures\' to refer to both \'people\' AND \'organizations\' --- it doesn\'t really feel very comofortable, and I certainly support other answerers\' attempts at separating the two, which in any case makes for a more pleasing sentence structure.
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In a political context, I believe that \'speaking out\' (against injustice, discrimination, etc.) is more powerful than merely \'speaking up\', which to my ears has a much more everyday feel to it, more appropriate to domestic situations:
\"Shirley knew the answer to the teacher\'s question, but was afraid to speak up\"
I would say it doesn't make a lot of sense, nor sound very natural to me.
You might be wanting to say 'public speaking' or 'speaking in public', but I suspect what you are really trying to say it 'speaking out publicly' --- in other words, making some grievance etc. public knowledge.
"All these figures are controversial and vociferous in speaking out in public"
I don't really like tagging on the '...in public' like this, but in this particular sentence it's better than using a hanging 'publicly'
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Another problem in your sentence as it stands is trying to use \'figures\' to refer to both \'people\' AND \'organizations\' --- it doesn\'t really feel very comofortable, and I certainly support other answerers\' attempts at separating the two, which in any case makes for a more pleasing sentence structure.
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In a political context, I believe that \'speaking out\' (against injustice, discrimination, etc.) is more powerful than merely \'speaking up\', which to my ears has a much more everyday feel to it, more appropriate to domestic situations:
\"Shirley knew the answer to the teacher\'s question, but was afraid to speak up\"
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Richard Benham
: Hi there Dusty; "speaking out in public" might work here.
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Cheers, RB! I think we've both read it the same way, haven't we?
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PB Trans
: "in public"
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Thanks, Pina!
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Java Cafe
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Thanks, J/C!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks a lot! great!"
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The figures are controversial, and the organizations who received the awards are very vocal in....
Possibility 1:
The figures are controversial, and the organizations who received the awards are very vocal in speaking up about their views in public.
Possibility 2:
The figures are controversial, and the organizations who received the awards are publicly very vocal in speaking up about their views.
Figures cannot be vocal.
"Before the public" sounds a bit odd. "Speaking up publicly" or "speaking up in public" sounds better.
The figures are controversial, and the organizations who received the awards are very vocal in speaking up about their views in public.
Possibility 2:
The figures are controversial, and the organizations who received the awards are publicly very vocal in speaking up about their views.
Figures cannot be vocal.
"Before the public" sounds a bit odd. "Speaking up publicly" or "speaking up in public" sounds better.
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Robert Donahue (X)
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Thanks!
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humbird
: Your rewriting made the sentence clear and easy to understand.
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Thanks!
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Tony M
: I have to say that I don' t actually agree with the 'Asker comment' you made above; why on earth can't a figure be vocal? We often talk about "Mr X. has been a very vocal figure in this movement"
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Alfa Trans (X)
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letting their views be known to the (general) public
This might be the phrase you need. They can write stuff, be on TV, radio etc. and generally "speak up".
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Robert Donahue (X)
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making their views public
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or publcizing their views:
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Get Bear Smart Society
... Encourage them to be proactive in making their views public. Start a Neighbourhood
Bear Watch program in your area. Contact us to learn how. ...
www.bearsmart.com/takeAction/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
a3
... which contain anti-competitive provisions. They should also stimulate public
debate by making their views public by issuing reports and other means.
www.apeccp.org.tw/doc/Workshop/w1997/a3.htm - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
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or publcizing their views:
The Cavalier Daily
... While it may be hard to convince Smith and CODOH through simple rhetoric,
publicizing their views probably will bring forth enough knowledgeable ...
www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=3927&pid=566 - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
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Robert Donahue (X)
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Thanks, Rob
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