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English term or phrase:

Accidental products....

English answer:

timber from incidental felling

Added to glossary by Lara Barnett
Feb 18, 2018 16:28
6 yrs ago
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English term

Accidental products....

English Law/Patents Forestry / Wood / Timber European Union forestry violations
I am trying to translate a term from Romanian to English, but I am not sure if the existing translations I have found are actually used by the EU, which is what my text is for.

The Romanian uses the term "accidental products", meaning timber that has been illegally felled, and subsequently seized.

My text then goes on to describe how a benefit can be gained by actually using this illegal timber. I have searched and cannot find what term we use in our language for this illegal timber.
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4 +1 timber from incidental felling
3 +2 timber products derived from illegally harvested timber
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Discussion

Lara Barnett (asker) Feb 19, 2018:
@ Helena I know that was there. But it was incorrect for my context. "prior deduction" had nothing to do with my text. In this question I was just checking with English native speakers the best term. There are not many native English speakers on Romanian kudoz, which is why I was cross checking this on English usage.
Helena Chavarria Feb 19, 2018:
?? https://www.proz.com/kudoz/romanian_to_english/forestry_wood...
Lara Barnett (asker) Feb 18, 2018:
@ Helena Thanks - useful info.
Helena Chavarria Feb 18, 2018:
In spruce forests such as the one documented in this case, excessive and illegal thinning resulted in relatively large gaps in the forest cover. Romanian forest experts explained that during storms, heavy winds can enter these gaps, knocking down trees and widening the gaps. Windfalls allow forest managers to approve so-called “accidental” permits to clear fallen trunks – but in many documented cases loggers cut nearby healthy standing timber as well. Over a short period, this steady degradation results in a full clearing of the forest area.

https://eia-global.org/reports/2017-illegal-logging-in-rodna...
Lara Barnett (asker) Feb 18, 2018:
@ Cristina In my text this term seems to also be used for illegally harvested timber.
Lara Barnett (asker) Feb 18, 2018:
@ Tana There are not many Romanian translators around today. However, I would just like to check the term with native English speakers as 99% of the Romanian translators into English are Romanian themselves and, though not all the time, sometimes their translations are more literal than correctly phrased for the context.
Taña Dalglish Feb 18, 2018:
@ Lara IMO, I think your question should have been posted in Romanian to English in the first place, rather than your paraphrasing sections. I believe the responses would have been far more meaningful. In any event, I believe the best approach to finding the term would have been to search for the original Romanian text which is here (my reference comment): https://lege5.ro/Gratuit/geytambvha/codul-silvic-din-2008/4. What I found was under Article 58.
Cristina Crişan Feb 18, 2018:
RO law "Accidental products" have to do with trees blown down or uprooted by wind or snow or from legal clearings.
See here: c) produse accidentale, rezultate în urma calamităţilor şi din defrişări de pădure legal aprobate;
http://www.cdep.ro/pls/legis/legis_pck.htp_act_text?idt=4870
Lara Barnett (asker) Feb 18, 2018:
@ Phil Here is the text. The term is at the end of the section that I have pasted below. But as you can see , all it says in Romanian is "accidental products..."

Aprobarea sau autorizarea spre exploatare de către șeful ocolului silvic a actelor de punere în valoare de produse accidentale
Helena Chavarria Feb 18, 2018:
I haven't seen any reference to 'accidental' in either the EU Timber Regulation and REGULATION (EU) No 995/2010 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 20 October 2010 laying down the obligations of operators who place timber and timber products on the market. I've also read Scottish and British regulatory texts and none of them mention 'accidental'.

Perhaps someone else will be able to find a better answer.

Responses

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timber from incidental felling

https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/timber/country-info/stat...

page 4:
A high volume of incidental felling (4.69 million m3, or 50.3% of the total felling) was associated with the removal of calamitous timber from past natural disturbances in forests.

i.e., it refers to the exploitation of timber from trees that have been damaged by natural causes.

This corresponds with the comment from Cristina C. in the discussion box.

A G-search for "incidental felling" gets numerous hits, including from EU sources.
Peer comment(s):
agree acetran
13 days
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56 mins

timber products derived from illegally harvested timber

This is the best I can find.

Page 7

EU Timber Regulation
Article 6
Due diligence systems
[···]
(b) risk assessment procedures enabling the operator to analyse and evaluate the risk of illegally harvested timber or timber products derived from such timber being placed on the market.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/eutr2013/_static/files/guida...

The footnote on page 9 (C 346/26)

Regulation (EU) No 995/2010 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 October 2010 laying down the obligations of operators who place timber and timber products on the market.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX...


(12) The placing on the internal market for the first time of illegally harvested timber or timber products derived from such timber should be prohibited as one of the measures of this Regulation. Taking into account the complexity of illegal logging, its underlying causes and its impacts, specific measures should be taken, such as those that target the behaviour of operators.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:320...

The EU Timber Regulation came into force on 3 March 2013. It prohibits operators in Europe from placing illegally harvested timber and products derived from illegal timber on the EU market. ‘Legal' timber is defined as timber produced in compliance with the laws of the country where it is harvested.

http://www.euflegt.efi.int/eutr

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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-02-18 20:46:36 GMT)
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It seems to be specific to Romania. The following document refers to "accidental" ten times, starting on page 7.

4. Abuse of cleaning regulations – clearing of “accidental” fallen logs Romanian forest regulations allow for the clearing of wood felled by “accidental” causes, meaning trees that have fallen due to strong winds, landslides, avalanches, etc.59 The Romanian National Institute of Statistics recorded that “accidental” harvests took place on over 500,000 hectares of forests in Romania in both 2012 and in 2013,60 totaling 2.8 million m3 in 2012 and 3.6 million m3 in 2013.61The Romanian Court of Accounts reported that, in 2012 and 2013, in only 4.2% of cases had Romanian forest ofcials conducted the required on-site check prior to collection.62 The report states that on this basis there is suspicion that, in these two years, over 6 million m3 of timber was harvested illegally in Romania under the guise of “accidental” harvesting.

http://www.nostrasilva.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/EIA_Rom...

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Page 3

The legal rules (Forest Code, 2008) for harvesting allow the harvesting of principal products (final cut), secondary products (from thinning and tending), accidental products (tree damaged by insects or wind) and sanitary cutting (dead trees).

https://www.web-ecol.net/14/3/2014/we-14-3-2014.pdf
Note from asker:
Thank You for all this info, but I cannot see where these texts use "accidental" as a term.
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
9 mins
Thanks for your confirmation, Phil :-)
neutral Tony M : I think the timber itself is the 'incidental product' here, there is no further 'derivative' (necessarily) involved.
30 mins
Tony, I appreciate your opinion. Thank you very much :-)
neutral Jennifer Levey : I agree with Tony. Also, it's fairly clear that the RO text refers to timber which is felled by natural caues (eg snowfall) or as a "by-product" of a legal activity (eg road-building). Neither of those is "illegal".
3 hrs
Robin, I appreciate your opinion. Thank you very much :-)
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I think you reference #4 says it very clearly.
22 hrs
Thank you, Tina :-)
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Reference comments

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Reference:

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I don´t speak or understand Romanian, but the starting point was finding the original Romanian Law.

https://lege5.ro/Gratuit/geytambvha/codul-silvic-din-2008/4
Art. 58. - Jurisprudență (1)
(1) Produsele specifice fondului forestier național sunt bunurile ce se realizează din acesta, respectiv produse lemnoase și nelemnoase.
(2) Produsele lemnoase specifice fondului forestier național sunt reprezentate prin:
a) produse principale, rezultate din tăieri de regenerare a pădurilor;
b) produse secundare, rezultate din tăieri de îngrijire și conducere a arboretelor;
c) produse accidentale, rezultate în urma acțiunii factorilor biotici și abiotici destabilizatori sau din defrișări de pădure legal aprobate;


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I believe you have a poorly translated term and it should read "incidental products".
Note from asker:
Thank you.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree philgoddard : Good research!
43 mins
Thank you.
agree Tony M
1 hr
Thank you.
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